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Platy
17th May 2007, 15:33
You know I'm bad, I'm bad :rolleyes:

First of all: DON'T OPEN UP ANY SAITEK PRODUCT SINCE THIS VOIDS ANY WARRANTY!!!!!!!!!!! You are better off IN ANY CASE to return it to the store where you got it from and get a replacement.

I received the X52-pro from a friend who won it in a competition. He didn't want it and so I bought it from him. After installation, I found that the throttle was spiking seriously. Especially around the 70 to 100%. This is very annoying. I play Il-2 1946 exclusivly with it and in this sim, it can be vital to have precise throttle settings and it can be highly annoying to know that the throttle doesn't always do what you tell it to do.

Anyways, I didn't have a receit as evidence that I bought it somewhere so, I couldn't return it for a replacement. After some asking around elsewhere on this forum, it was suggested to use contact spray on the pot-meter for the throttle. This of course implicated that I should open up the throttle first. As a last resort, I could take the pot-meter from my old X52 (non pro) since they are the same and that throttle works flawlessly. But that would render the X52 useless of course. Since I thought I didn't have any warranty anymore, I could happily open up the throttle and take a look inside.

So I did unscrew the bottom of it fairly easily and removed the lid. I did see the pot meter wich wasn't functioning properly. I wiped it a little with my finger and immediatly the orange wire came loose :eek: Looks like the wire stripping machines at the Saitek plant needs some adjusting? This can be seen in the first picture. In the middle, there was a red wire and on the left, a white one.

In picture two, I am measuring the pot-meter. One of the wires came loose so I wasn't concerned that the measurment was influenced by the electronic curcuit where the pot-meter was attached to previously. As you can see in picture two, it looks like a rather healthy 47K pot meter. I still had the measuring pins in it while I moved the pot-meter a bit. It does not appear like a normal lineair one. I realized that I had to do some soldering anyhow and after some consideration, I did cut the other two wires also.

In picture three, I removed the excess soldering stuff. There is probably a very good word for the stuff you solder with but since english is not my native language, I don't know that word :D It is now ready for re-installing it into the throttle. Before I did that, I sprayed the inside with contact spray as suggested elsewhere on this forum. I did measure it again but with my equipment, I couldn't find any diffrence in the pot-meter. Since the wires are rather short, I needed to install the pot-meter first and soldering the wires to it while installed. I did use some cloth to screen the rest of the throttle from accidentally falling drops of liquid soldering stuff. Stripping the wires is a very precise job because they are so thin. It is very easy to cut the wire instead of stripping it, making shorter then it allready is. Once stripped, there where some very small fibers of what appeared glasfiber inside. I trimmed that away with a sharp knife. I didn't think the glassfiber would help the soldering if I left them in place.



(the rest of the story will follow in next post)

Platy
17th May 2007, 15:47
In picture four, you see all of the wires soldered securly in place. Especially the orange wire is better attached now then it was when I opened up the throttle :D The black screws in the white plastic parts where the pot meter is in, are not supposed to be there. I merely used them to fixate the pot-meter assembly.

I connected it to my PC and I couldn't wait to get it working again. Well, it did :cool: This is visible in picture five. Oh yes, the spiking is gone and now I am sure that all the wires are firmly connected.

It is not an happy end however. The throttle doesn't show any spiking anymore so that is positive. But as you can see in picture six, the MFD looks rather blank. It still does have the stopwatch and the mode 1, 2 or 3 indication but other then that, it is completly blank. Furthermore, none of the leds but the power led seems to be functioning. Maybe another loose wire? I hope not because I am pretty confident that I closed up the throttle with everything intact. Maybe it is a warranty check of some kind? If you open it up, all the pretty lights will go out. This is rather annoying of course. If anyone know how to fix this, please let me know. The throttle is still functioning as it should so, I can keep flying in Il-2 1946 like before :)

At the end, I would like to make clear to everyone that it is generally a VERY BAD IDEA TO OPEN UP YOUR SAITEK PRODUCT. THIS WILL VOID ANY WARRANTY YOU HAVE AND YOU ARE BETTER OF TO RETURN IT TO THE STORE AND RECEIVE A NEW STICK. I opened up my one only because I didn't have a receit and I couldn't take it back to any store.

Wiley
17th May 2007, 18:14
The word you are looking for is 'flux'. It cleans the surfaces of the metal so that the solder will properly bond.

As a side note: Most electronic solder has the flux built in. A properly soldered joint should look like the solder has flowed in and around the wires. A joint that has globs of solder has not gotten hot enough for the solder to flow around everything.

As to your MFD display. I had the exact same display when I had deleted all the Saitek drivers prior to installing the new beta drivers (6.0.4.1). If you install the X52 Pro drivers, old or beta, your display should return to what you expect.

Great fix! :D

Platy
17th May 2007, 19:14
Yes, that was the word I was looking for :D I did use solder with built-in flux. I was very afraid to damage the wires by overheating it so as soon as I thought a solid connection was made, I eased off the soldering iron. Or a drop over overheated solder would run down and find its way inside the pot-meter:p

I'm not sure what you mean about re-installing the drivers. I downloaded the appropriate drivers from the saitek website and did a re-install without un-installing the 'old' drivers (wich are the same obvious) Is this what you did also? I messed around with the beta drivers a week or so ago. But I uninstalled them and applied the drivers from the saitek site. I had a sneaking suspicion that they made my system unstable.

Wiley
17th May 2007, 21:50
Since I was going from the current release drivers to the beta drivers and from reading some of the threads I decided to remove all the Saitek drivers and start fresh. Thats where I saw the MFD display that was the same as what you posted. Might not have been necessary but I had the time.

It almost looks as though your system and X52 Pro are not recognizing each other. If you are using Windows, click on Start / Control Panel / System / Hardware / Device Manager. In the list you should see an entry for Human Interface Devices. Double click on it to open those entries. You should see two entries for the X52 Pro, one will have (HID) after it, the other will have (USB). Double click on them, then click on 'Driver' and check that both are by Saitek and the same date and version.

You could also just download and install a fresh set of drivers from Saitek, making sure that you pick the proper ones (32 bit or 64 bit depending on your OS).

If neither of those suggestions fixes the problem, it's time to talk to support.

Platy
17th May 2007, 22:52
I got into the device manager like you said. The drivers where from the same version. But I clicked 'update drivers' for both the (HID) and (USB) entries. M$ XP told me to do a reboot for the 'new' installation to take effect. So I did.

After the reboot, the stick went dark also :eek: Then I clicked the joystick control panel and moved the slides for adjusting the brightness of the MFD and LED. It now appears all in order now. I have a weird looking but pretty christmas tree on my desk wich is functioning perfectly :rolleyes: Thanks for pointing me in the direction, I would never have figured it out myself.

Wiley
18th May 2007, 00:09
Great! Glad I could be of help.

GoNz0
18th May 2007, 09:32
platy there is a bug in the beta2 that turns the display off for no reason.

all i can say is, nice job :cool:

TKang
29th May 2007, 00:47
Thanks for the pics Platy. I was seriously thinking about using the X52-Pro as a basis for a Sim-Pit. I was hoping that Saitek will build a FFB version of the X52-Pro. :D