new beta X45 pinkie [Archive] - The Official Saitek Forum

bizerker

6th May 2007, 23:37

I'm not sure what part of the SST is not working for you from your message, but in my case I can't seem to get any of it to work. I tried programming just like the old SST by putting the keypresses into the boxes in the profile editor and then activating the profile, but few if any of the commands will work. I'm trying to put together a profile for IL-2, but no joy so far. Is there something simple that I am missing in the new SST software that would keep my commands from showing up in the game?

UKSupport

8th May 2007, 10:29

Hi,

Here’s a simple test to see if the programming is working – open the Profile Editor and click in the space under the word Trigger. You should get the flashing cursor so just press the letter A on the keyboard and then click the green tick on the right. Now click the Profile Now button at the top of the Profile Editor (it looks like a yellow crosshair on a black circle) and it will ask you to save the profile – just call it “test” and save it.

The controller icon that is next to your clock should now have a green background indicating that a profile is loaded so now click Start>Run and then press the trigger on your stick – the letter 'a' should be appearing in the run window each time you press the trigger. If it is then the programming is working fine; if it isn’t then, with the controller plugged in, open the System icon in Control Panel and then click Hardware at the top of the window that comes up and then click Device Manager. You will have a category at the bottom of the list here that is called Universal Serial Bus Controller. Click the plus sign next to it and tell me what it then says underneath it. Do the same for the following categories:

Sound, Video and Game Controllers
Other Devices
Human Interface Devices
Saitek Magic Bus

bizerker

8th May 2007, 17:00

I'm going to need some help on this one. I can't even find the run command in the Vista startup menu. Could you tell me where this is, Richard? As far as the commands, I put in the "I" button to start the engine in IL-2 and it only works when I release the button instead of when I press. The pinkie shift key doesn't work at all and I can't find out why from reading the directions. This is as far as I have gotten and I can't seem to make any progress at all. Thanks for any help.

UKSupport

8th May 2007, 18:20

Well the Run window is now the search window at the bottom left of the Start menu - where you can type in program name. It will accept keyboard input so it's an easy place to see if the programming is working.

It appears that it is working though if you're getting some things to work (even if it's not quite as you think it should be!). Could you zip and attach your profile so I can check it out?

ervi

9th May 2007, 21:22

I have same problem as Alex. Pinkie is used as a shift button in new SSoftware and as a result WWII online doesnt recognize pinkie when pressed...it should cause i have other use for pinkie key than used as shift button.

UKSupport

10th May 2007, 10:15

Well you can still program a keystroke to the pinkie if you wish - just program it to the "click to add shift command box" for the Mode1+Pinkie column and it will then emit that keypress when you press it.

ervi

14th May 2007, 07:11

I added a new keypress to the "click to add shift command box" far upper right corner in Profile editor and switched to Mode1+Pinkie. I cant add a command to Mode 1 column for pinkie. The only command in Pinkie box on Mode1 column (far left) is "latched"....what ever that means?

Well anyway what i want to say is that pinkie still doesnt work in WWII online.

ervi

26th May 2007, 06:58

Can i move shift feature from pinkie to another button? This ´cause i still hasnt been able to make pinkie work as normal button.

ervi

27th May 2007, 06:42

Well...ok, using the X u can delete mode columns using Mode + Pinkie thus allowing to use other key to be used as shift button.

Hikaru

30th May 2007, 07:04

I'm trying this one as a test. It works fine...

Launch buton= "jojo" keys
Buton C= "A key

Another one:

Under Mode1+pinki, I put the letter "K" for the buton C. Tryed this with windows notepad, but nothing hapens ;<. I'm specting while holding mode1 and pinki switch, when I press buton C the "K" should be apearing.

Hikaru

1st June 2007, 02:16

No luck with pinkie switch. The test screen shows it working, but when I load a program nothing hapens.

UKSupport

1st June 2007, 13:53

We're going to fix this (and other bugs that have been reported on the beta) for the next driver and software release which we should be issuing soon.

lazerin

4th June 2007, 14:46

Yup, I'm not able to configure the pinkie button as shift either.

To test I've done as follows:
In Mode 1, 2, 3: Trigger = A
In Shift + Mode 1, 2, 3: Trigger = B

To verify in notepad, when I use the Pinkie + Trigger, I still get the letter A regardless of what Mode I'm in.

Also, when a profile is loaded, is there a way to make it so that the pinkie switch is still assignable in a game? At the moment, as soon as a profile is loaded, Button 07 (pinkie) cannot be assigned in any game i.e. when I press pinkie to try and assign it to something inside FSX, it doesn't register.

UKSupport

4th June 2007, 17:05

lazerin

4th June 2007, 17:27

You were never able to program the pinkie and have it act as a shift button with the old SST software. You can now though:

You can program a keystroke to happen when you enter the shift state - that's what the keystroke entry cells are for near the top of each column. So just program the keystroke you want for the pinkie in Mode1+Pinkie, Mode2+Pinkie and Mode3+Pinkie and that should do it.

Alternatively, if you're not using the pinkie shift states, just delete them from the profile by clicking the cross in the top right corner of each mode column. Once you've got of the "+Pinkie" modes, the pinkie will then be able to be programmed like a normal button.

What you said regarding the Mode1+Pinkie etc is what I've been doing. It just doesn't seem to work at all i.e. the shiftstate isn't working. Mode 1 and Mode1+Pinkie produces the exact same results (Mode 1) even though they are programmed to different things in SST.

I've attached a copy of the profile I was using. If you have a look at the mouse hat key, they've been programmed to the keys 1-4 in normal Mode 1-3. And in shift state with the pinkie switch+Mode, they are programmed to the keys 5-8.

However, when I load up the profile, the mouse hat will only produce the keys 1-4. When the pinkie switch is depressed, they still only produce the keys 1-4, and not 5-8 as they are programmed to do in SST.

EDIT: I'm running this on Vista 32bit

Hikaru

4th June 2007, 20:44

That's because pinkie switch is not working at all. If you replace pinkie switch with another buton, your shift state will work. Same problem if you use mice buton.

PD: After doing some profiles, when I load them the computer gets in to a block state :(

UKSupport

4th June 2007, 21:18

PD: After doing some profiles, when I load them the computer gets in to a block state :(

Check any axes that you've programmed - I guarantee you that you've got a band programmed to a position where that axis is currently set. This will result in that command continually being issued which will lock up the PC (especially if it's an Advanced Command, apparently).

Luke Warmwater

8th June 2007, 00:54

We're going to fix this (and other bugs that have been reported on the beta) for the next driver and software release which we should be issuing soon.

....any news on when this may be??? I wouldn't ask, but with my pinkie unassigned, Falcon 4.0 thinks its the undercarriage control!!:eek: Not good when my fingers get hot and sweaty at 600kts going into a high G turn. Got that pesky Mig off my tail, but did no favours to the cart. Made a mess of the left wing when I put it down without the left wheel as well.....:p

I spent 4 hours last night trying to figure out what I was doing wrong, until I thought today that I should try the forum tonight....doh!

PS. The mouse fire button on the throttle thinks its the shift button, if that helps anyone get a shift command.

PPS. Can anyone tell me what "latched" means. I can't find it in the manual anywhere:confused:

UKSupport

8th June 2007, 09:42

I'm still waiting for an update from the software team about the release of the next version - they've been working to incorporate a few of the fixes that have been reported as being needed from the beta release, as well as getting the support for this year's new products integrated. It shouldn't be too far off though.

Luke Warmwater

8th June 2007, 13:18

Thanks!

BTW.....

PPS. Can anyone tell me what "latched" means. I can't find it in the manual anywhere:confused:

UKSupport

8th June 2007, 13:27

Oh sorry, yes. Think of Latched like the Caps Lock key on your keyboard. When a shift mode is latched, it means that one press of the button you've assigned to enter the mode will place the controller in that shift mode. If it's not latched then you need to hold down that shift button in order to remain in the shift mode.

Luke Warmwater

8th June 2007, 16:44

Aha....so you can use it to toggle between shifted and unshifted modes....that's a help!

Incidentally, if anyone hasn't figured it out, if you deselect "pinkie" as the shift button for the 3 shifted modes, and replace it with "Mouse Fire" when you are asked what you want to replace it with; then, in game the pinkie works as the shift button!

You can then programme the "pinkie" with what you wanted the "Mouse Fire" to do, and the mouse fire will work in game as you want it to.

NB. You need to deselect pinkie as the shift button first, otherwise you can not program it.

Apologies if this has been worked around already. I knew the two buttons were reversed, but didn't notice that anyone had worked around it yet....maybe it was just too obvious...lol

Of course, once this has been corrected with the next release of the software, you will need to edit you profile back again.

Right, I'm off to this weeks evening class in "Stating The Bleedin' Obvious"
;)

Leigh

9th June 2007, 03:03

I've also had the devil's own job simply trying to programme my pinkie on my x45 to be the press to talk button on teamspeak, (as I had it programmed in the previous version of the software). Even sent my old profile to the guys from tech support who kindly sent back an updated version, which sadly still doesn't work - can't even get the Profile Now button to work! Eagerly awaiting a fix.
Leigh.

Luke Warmwater

10th June 2007, 09:30

Leigh,

In its' default state, your Mouse Fire button is acting as your shift button in game, even though the software is saying that it is the pinkie button. Conversley, your pinkie button is doing whatever your Mouse Fire button is programmed to do in game, even though the software says the opposite.

Therfore, to get your pinkie to act as your teamspeak button in game, program your Mouse Fire to be the teamspeak button in the software. Hey Presto, in your game, the pinkie button will be acting as you want it to.

(just remember, your Mouse Fire button will still be acting as your shift button).

Leigh

10th June 2007, 11:35

Thanks Luke - sounds good.. tried it but alas no luck there.. as I said, still can't even get the Profile Now button to be activated.. hmmmmmm. thanks for trying - any other suggestions?? Maybe - hopefully - this will be a fix in the new software???
cheers. leigh.

Luke Warmwater

10th June 2007, 13:51

Sorry for being a bit thick....but what's the Profile Now button?

Leigh

10th June 2007, 21:39

No worries.. it's the round icon up the top that looks like a shooting target.

UKSupport

11th June 2007, 10:03

Leigh - Have you tried reinstalling both the beta drivers and programming software again to see if that helps?

Leigh

11th June 2007, 12:54

Tks Richard, will try, though I've uninstalled and reinstalled the controller software several times before.. I take it to uninstall both the software for the controller AND SST programming software, I just do an uninstall and delete my saitek folder.. is there anything else hidden anywhere? cheers. leigh.

UKSupport

11th June 2007, 13:10

I'd just try reinstalling over the top first and see what happens.

flipper820

14th October 2007, 23:48

Thanks for the tip Luke. It worked for me. I had just realized they were reversed when i viewed the strokes on Notepad and went on to read your tip.

So, we're on beta 2 and it's mid October. Is this still being worked on in the next beta UK?

Thanks for the support to UK and all.

Shinobi_EBDA

28th March 2008, 17:06

Sorry to dig up an old post, but I'm having the exact same issues here. My pinkie-switch is doing what my mouse-button on the throttle is programmed to do when I play IL2. I don't want to tell the software that the pinkie switch is the mouse-button and thus far eliminating that problem, seeing as it only eliminates half the problem. I want my mouse-button to do something else, but as I have understood from what I'm reading you can get the pinkie-switch to act as the mouse-button (and therefore act as the pinkie-switch), but you can't get the mouse-button to act as the pinkie-switch, thus being the mouse-button?

Ok, if anyone can understand what I just wrote, please feel free to help me out! :confused: