No Force Feedback/Rumble under Windows Vista

[UKSupport]

If you are experiencing no force feedback or rumble effects with your product when you have installed the Vista drivers then please do the following to get the forces working again.



Click Start, type

regedit

into the program window at the bottom and then press Enter.

In the Registry Editor click the plus sign next to the following folders in order:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER
System
CurrentControlSet
Control
MediaProperties
PrivateProperties
Joystick
OEM

and delete any folders in there starting with VID_06A3.

Now unplug your controller, reinsert it and the forces should now work.

[Littlehonk]

Sorry, but doesn´t work. Everytime I replug the controller, the registry-entry reappears. Please advise. Thank you!

Heiko

[UKSupport]

Yes, it should reappear but the force feedback should be working - everyone else who has tried this has said that it fixes the problem.

Which controller do you have, which version of Vista are you running (i.e. is it a retail version or a beta? Is it 32- or 64-bit?) and does the controller work correctly on another PC?

[Littlehonk]

Thanks for your reply!
I am using the R440 FF Wheel. My version of Vista is the Home Premium OEM 32-bit Version with the latest updates.
I didn´t try the wheel on another PC - non of my friends has Vista yet.

I tried it as you said - plugin the controller, delete the registry key, unplug the controller and replug it. Then I tested the function of FF by using the control panel - gamecontrollers testing option.

Heiko

[UKSupport]

The other PC doesn't have to be running Vista - I was merely trying to make sure that there's not a fault with the wheel.

Do you definitely have the Vista drivers for the R440?

ftp://ftp.saitek.com/pub/software/vista/Saitek_R440_Force_Wheel_300107_32.exe

Finally, check the power adapter that you have plugged into the wheel - we've had a few people in the past getting their AC adapters mixed up (easy to do with the plethora of wires behind most PCs) and plugging one in that doesn't provide enough power. The adapter needs to be supplying at least 20V and this will be indicated on the rating label on the adapter.

[Littlehonk]

Yes, I recently installed these drivers. But now I reinstalled them - now it works fine! Maybe the setting in the registry on my computer had to be activated via reinstalling the drivers.
Thank you for your help!

Heiko

[kris_r]

I have new pc with vista :mad:

I have installed drivers and my Cyborg 3d force works - however when I load FSX demo the default force disappears and the joystick does not remain centred - making it impossible to use,

The other forces seem to work though ?????

Any ideas.

Thanks

[sfdmark]

That fix is not working for me. I 've tried it 4-5 times but no feedback.
I am currently running Vista x64 and the 2500 gamepad.
The gamepad is working pretty ok since it has been tested on another windows XP based machine.

Thanks for the response

[UKSupport]

Hi,

Have you tried using the latest beta2 drivers from the thread in the Announcements section here on the forum?

[sfdmark]

First of all I'd like to congratulate saitek publicly for being so direct and giving solutions to their customers. Its something that many big hardware and software companies have lost over the years. Not to mention that some don't even know yet what Vista is (even if they are dealing with much more important/expensive stuff than gaming devices).

The beta driver seems ok, I have feedback effects now :)

Thanks a lot, keep up the good job.

[smithte]

HI i have the saitek cyborg 3d force.im running windows vista and fs2004.as soon as i start fs2004 the default spring disappears and makes flying impossible.Iv tried everything..(uninstalling and re-installing drivers..etc).Any tips??

[Thomas1989]

Is there a way to test the force feedback without a game? Thank you

[almo]

hi im new here and i have just brought a p2600 and it does not rumble but works fine on xp im using vista pre i do have a force tag but with just a slider but not rumble have installed it properly but nothing tried that what you posted but no go please help

[UKSupport]

Hi,

Which drivers did you install? The ones from the website or the ones from here on the forum?

[almo]

ok at first the disc it came with and then from saitek website it self not from here i removed the file you said to and then put in the game
pad again but still nothing vista pain in the well you know lol

[UKSupport]

Okay,

First make sure that you've tried toggling the rumble button on the pad - you may have accidentally deactivated it there. If it still isn't working then download and install the drivers from here:

http://www.saitekforum.com/showthread.php?t=11552

Install those and see if it then rumbles. If not then try removing those keys from the registry again and then try it.

[Cheesy_member]

im having this problem with the p3200 - no beta drivers
on vista here

[UKSupport]

Have you performed the steps set out in the first post of this thread?

[Cheesy_member]

yes, tried that but still nothing.
Under control pannel there is an option to test rumble, when either checked or unchecked there is nothing.
Tried playing test drive unlimited, get no rumble with this at all

[UKSupport]

I take it you've also tried reinstalling the drivers for the pad again?

[Cheesy_member]

yup, have done 3 times

[UKSupport]

Okay,

Click Startand type

dxdiag

in the run window at the bottom left, then press Enter.

Click Input at the top of the window that comes up and then look at the P3200 entry - let me know which driver it says under the Force Feedback driver.

[Cheesy_member]

c:\windows\system32\saiPF518.dll

[UKSupport]

It could be a problem with the pad then - are you able to test it on another PC?

[Cheesy_member]

decided to re-install drivers 3 times, finally works in control pannel, cant get rumble on test drive unlimited though :(

[UKSupport]

You would need to give Atari a call on that then - if the rumble is working in Game Controllers then there's no reason why it shouldn't work in-game.

[kelvinmyf]

I am using P2600 game pad in vista, but...no rumble effects

However when I tried my P2600 gamepad on XP , it is working well with rumble.

I have tried any method to do it rumble on vista, but it just not working, I have installed the latest software version. 6.xxxxx

can anyone help???:(

[GWP]

I have a new X52pro joystick on Windows XP home and also have no feedback/rumble. Could your original suggestion to delete the registry keys be a solution for me, please?

[UKSupport]

Hi,

The X52 Pro does not have force feedback.

[milkin0213]

i would like to ask that whenever im trying the vibration of my saitek evo force joystick in its saitek test setup is its working but in the actual game in FSX its not...its working before but now i doesnt.

[Tomber6]

i would like to ask that whenever im trying the vibration of my saitek evo force joystick in its saitek test setup is its working but in the actual game in FSX its not...its working before but now i doesnt.

Same here... Any idea how to fix this .. I have Vista 32 bit Ultimate, does it help reinstalling vista, i've tried the registry fix, bit that did not help:confused: What can i possibly do to get the forces working again...

And yes.. i have tried to reinstall drivers

When i Checked under DXdiag/input, on all saitek items it says under the category "Force feedback driver", N/a. But when i try to innstall the saitek driver, it tells me to "plug in the controller you want to update", and I can't push the "next" button... :mad: So as a matter of fact, i can't innstall my Cyborg 3d Evo force driver...!

I have installed the SST software and there the forces work ok.. But the joystick iss still very loose..


Any help would be appreciated:)

Regards Tommy
Norway

[diddley]

I've yet to get Force Feedback to work correctly. Before I upgraded to Vista32, no problems. Stick worked well, strong forces, and gameplay was great. Since upgrading, I've not had any success in getting FF to work. It works in control manager, but NOTHING when running FS2004--or any of my other games... I've tried EVERYTHING and am getting increasingly frustrated...

[Claus Hoffmann]

Hi All,

the R660 is a great wheel that I used successfully with rFactor and Windows XP. Now I have changed to a better computer with Vista 64bit. After installing the apropriate drivers, downloaded from the Saitek Download-Page, force-feedback is not working. If I try with the Gamecontroller Panel of Windows Vista, it immediately stops force-feedback, sometimes even the Panel terminates due to an error. The same happens when I try to use the wheel in the game. What is wrong?

Best regards

Claus Hoffmann

[MistaDJ]

I bought new p3600 cyborg rumble and it doesnt rumble in half life 2 and in my others games, i did everything what is mentioned on this post although the rumble is only working on "test" and im running a 32bit vista home. is there any way to fix this? its really annoying...

[derekul]

i cant get to rumble under vista

[mansell05]

Hi will this fix work with F1 Challenge in 32 bit Vista

Thank you very much ;)

[daddychem3]

Ditto here. Cyborg Rumble Pad, Vista 32-bit Ultimate SP1. No force feedback (properties window or games). If I open up the properties window, I can change the force "default gain", but once I close the window and re-open it, the gain is reset to 100%. The "test rumble effects" checkbox acts the same way (always checked when the properties are opened), although this may be by design.

There's currently no beta driver for this gamepad. Any ideas?

***Edit:

Got it working. Accidently deleted folders from "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE" instead of from "HKEY_CURRENT_USER". Thanks for the help! (Now I just have to find a game to test it in)

End Edit***

[manosxxa]

I have Vista 32 bit Ultimate, does it help reinstalling vista, i've tried the registry fix, bit that did not help What can i possibly do to get the forces working again...

And yes.. i have tried to reinstall drivers

When i Checked under DXdiag/input, on all saitek items it says under the category "Force feedback driver", N/a. But when i try to innstall the saitek driver, it tells me to "plug in the controller you want to update", and I can't push the "next" button... So as a matter of fact, i can't innstall my Cyborg 3d Evo force driver...!
YES I INSTALL THE BETA DRIVERS PLEASE HELP ME!

[sentonal]

I had this same fustrating issue. The drivers I downloaded from the website on Tuesday were from 5/2007. But i managed to get FF working on my Cyborg EVO Force


With the Stick UNPLUGGED!!!!

1 uninstalled the SST Software
2. Used Device manager to remove the driver (put a check in Delete the driver)
3. Opened regedit and in HKCU\System\CurrentControlSet\MediaProperties\JoyS tick\OEM I removed any Key that started with VID_06A (as suggested)
4. I then deleted c:\windows\temp\Saitek\
5. Then Bounced the box (reboot).


6. Open Device Manger:
After you plug your controller in the list will update:

7. When you see "HID Compliant Game Contoller" right click on it and choose
Update Driver software.
Then Search Automaticly for the software.

Do this for All your Saitek Controllers.
THEN install the SST Software and you should be in the Green


GOOD LUCK FOLKS!!!

[Liosha]

Dear Sirs, Please tell me how to find BETA Drivers For Saitek Cyborg 3D Force (Vista 64 bit), i used to have it, but somehow lost the file.
The link in post #16 of this thread now refers to unavailable.
Official driver from Downloads/drivers/ (version Saitek_Cyborg3D_Force_SD6_64) unfortunately works incorrectly on my computer, - the force feedback, when i pull the joystick is delayed and too weak.

[Dragance]

I'm runing Vista 64bit and at the first time I have the same problem,I have an Audigy 4 audio card in configuration and I replace the driver for this card with older version (version 2.12002 you may find on Creative site) before that I use a latest version of driver (2.18001) there is no vibration .
Now everything work perfect,Joypad VIBRATE and SOUND plays at the same time.It's pure luck to fihx this.
I play GTA IV versio 1.0.3.0(support direct input) the pad work fine all commands is on the pad,but the vibration not work (still Xbox compatibl. problem),in 'Death Space ' there is problem with commands (mishmash) not playeble with this controler.
This is solution for me , I'm using driver & softhware from Saitek CD.

[saitek-paul]

I bought the PS2700 last week and after several installations / deinstallations and registry deletaions I still cannot get force feedback under Vista 32

I am using the control panel to check the functionality, there is an extra tab: "effect page". I can use all buttons, sticks, POV - but no foce feedback.

I have tried two drivers, the current installed is: 6.5.6.7 from 22.10.2008
I also have profiel editor 6.6.2.0

What can I do to get this to work?

[UKSupport]

Hi,

Click Start and type

dxdiag

in the run window, then press Return.

Click Input at the top of the window that comes up and then let me know what it says under force feedback driver next to the PS2700 please.

[saitek-paul]

Hi Richard,

here is a clipping from the dxdiag txt file:

Device Name: Saitek PS2700 Rumble Pad
Attached: 1
Controller ID: 0x0
Vendor/Product ID: 0x06A3, 0xF620
FF Driver: C:\Windows\system32\ffdriver32.dll
FF Driver Date: 10/22/2008 15:06:44
FF Driver Version: 1.02.0000.0002
FF Driver Size: 573440 bytes

---

+-+ Saitek PS2700 Rumble Pad (USB)
| | Vendor/Product ID: 0x06A3, 0xF620
| | Location: Port_#0007.Hub_#0001
| | Matching Device ID: usb\vid_06a3&pid_f620
| | Service: HidUsb
| | OEMData: 23 00 08 10 0D 00 00 00
| | Flags 1: 04000000
| | Driver: ffdriver32.Dll, 10/22/2008 15:06:44, 573440 bytes
| | Driver: ffpage32.dll, 10/22/2008 15:06:44, 188416 bytes
| | Driver: hidusb.sys, 1/19/2008 07:53:17, 12288 bytes
| | Driver: hidclass.sys, 1/19/2008 07:53:16, 38912 bytes
| | Driver: hidp****.sys, 1/19/2008 07:53:16, 25472 bytes
| |
| +-+ Saitek PS2700 Rumble Pad (HID)
| | | Vendor/Product ID: 0x06A3, 0xF620
| | | Matching Device ID: hid\vid_06a3&pid_f620
| | | Service: SaiKF620
| | | OEMData: 23 00 08 10 0D 00 00 00
| | | Flags 1: 04000000
| | | Driver: SaiKF620.sys, 10/22/2008 15:06:44, 106496 bytes
| | | Driver: WdfCoInstaller01005.dll, 10/22/2008 15:06:46, 1419232 bytes


Regards,
Paul

[UKSupport]

Well that's the correct driver. So on the effects test page, if you push the left stick around, do you not get any vibration in the pad?

Are you able to test the pad on another PC to see if it works correctly on there?

[saitek-paul]

Hallo Richard,

I have been able to test the PSD2700 on a PC with XP. Same situation: no force feedback.

Device Name: Saitek PS2700 Rumble Pad
Attached: 1
Controller ID: 0x1
Vendor/Product ID: 0x06A3, 0xF620
FF Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\ffdriver32.dll
FF Driver Date: 10/22/2008 15:06:44
FF Driver Version: 1.02.0000.0002
FF Driver Size: 573440 bytes

What now?

/Paul

[UKSupport]

It's got to be the pad then, I'm afraid. Please return it to the store for an exchange.

[Fr33man]

I did all i seen here,the gamespad i'm using is Ps2700 rumble pad on windows vista x64 , and it worked when i test it,all the buttons work perfect and the vibrations, but strangely sometimes they "work" but they work like they want to not like they should , i mean i was playing street fighter 4 on the pc and it didn't had any vibration for about 15 minutes then it started automatically and vibrated continuosly for 5 or 6 minutes then it stopped then after 5 minutes it started again continously for about 5-6 minutes, and i found something strange in fifa 09 when i try to activate the vibrations option they don't stay on ,and in the game when i press the pc to ps2 button on the gamepad the game sees it like saitek ps2700 rumble pad or xbox 360 controller or just crontroller , this is all i found in fifa 09 , in world racing 2 the vibrations work only when i have a big crash , does this game pad need Immersion technology? and the games i've played didn't had it or what?
Pretty strange and i don't think it's the gamepad,or the windows, maybe the drivers i don't know , can somebody help pls?

[Karl_L]

Hi, I bought a Cyborg Evo Force and I cant get the rumble to work properly in visa 64x.
It works fine when I test it in the joystick settings, And it even works in FSX.
But anything else, IL2, X2, X3, DCS Blackshark, Cant get it working :(
I've tried the registry fix but it doesnt help.
Any other ideas, Or do I have to go back to XP and hope it works.

[UKSupport]

Hi,

Not sure what to suggest here because if it works in Control Panel and in FSX then it should certainly be fine in the other games. Do you have any other controllers connected at all?

[hax]

Hey I just bought a P580. I can test the force feedback in the controller settings. The slider for force intensity is at 0% as default. When I raise it and click on apply I am able to test the force feedback, but after closing the settings the slider is changing back to 0% and it doesn't work in any game.
I'm using Windows 7 RC 64bit and tried the driver from the CD, from the Saitek homepage and even the Windows built-in driver and nothing works :(
Also the trick with editing the registry doesn't help.

[Chappy]

can we please ban... this corrupped non complient software from existence? this code has been crashing vista since the service pack 2..... i ran vista for 2 years and until i met this software i never had a problem. bottom line! this company and software is not ecceptable. my computer is a pile of **** when i leave it running over night and try to run this crap software. saitek..... fuk windows 7 and start working on vista fuk microsoft unless they will re-emburce us for all there mistakes and fuk-ups.... dont make me come back!

Dear choliebrown

Thank you for your inspired feedback and the concise explanation of your issues (with gramer & speling), and more precisely...your vast knowledge of how simple an OS is, and how easy it is to build one these days. Surely MS must be capable of coding a perfect system, after all it's only a few lines of code and all the other OS's are perfect...aren't they?
I'm sure if you could code that you'd have this All fixed in no time at all...Windows and Saitek drivers...I mean, just how hard can it be right??


//start computer
{
draw neat windows on monitor
}
#if
computerstarts
}
//then run saitek driver

$work perfect
}
}
end



Wow...that WAS easy wasn't it!

don't make me come back!

Har-Har-Hardee-har-har!!

OMG, I haven't laughed that hard in years!!!
My sides hurt, oh man...wow, you're a scary dude, sure wouldn't wanna run into YOU in some dark alley, you might scare my gramma!
Don't let the door hit you in the @$$ on the way out!
Bye

[choliebrown]

Dear choliebrown

Thank you for your inspired feedback and the concise explanation of your issues (with gramer & speling), and more precisely...your vast knowledge of how simple an OS is, and how easy it is to build one these days. Surely MS must be capable of coding a perfect system, after all it's only a few lines of code and all the other OS's are perfect...aren't they?
I'm sure if you could code that you'd have this All fixed in no time at all...Windows and Saitek drivers...I mean, just how hard can it be right??


//start computer
{
draw neat windows on monitor
}
#if
computerstarts
}
//then run saitek driver

$work perfect
}
}
end



Wow...that WAS easy wasn't it!



Har-Har-Hardee-har-har!!

OMG, I haven't laughed that hard in years!!!
My sides hurt, oh man...wow, you're a scary dude, sure wouldn't wanna run into YOU in some dark alley, you might scare my gramma!
Don't let the door hit you in the @$$ on the way out!
Bye


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[BongMong]

Referring to the original post, I never had this issue with my P2500 and Vista x64, but I did with Win7 x64. The suggestion in the original post works for Win7 x64 though, I can confirm.

[ask]

Hi,

i´ve got the same problem with Saitek Evo Force with Win 7 (32 Bit) - no force feedback :(

tried the fixes from this thread, but no joy

[Fr33man]

Funny thing , force feedback worked when i was using the control panel to test it , but with the new drivers it doesn't work at all and the slider don't work either now and i'm using vista x64, maybe on windows 7? Maybe :D (ps 2700 rumble pad)

[bagem78]

I've got the same problem that is listed in the first thread. Cyborg 3D Rumble joystick under Windows 7 64bit, I had no force feedback and no sound when "test rumble effects" was checked. Tried what was suggested in the registry and it fixed my problem. Using driver SD6_64, file version 4.0.100.1190.

[campcreekdude]

This worked for me in windows 7.

where do we get the programable SST software!!!!!

for windows 7

[campcreekdude]

Force Feedback works in the control panel but does not work in any games so far.

[UK Support 4]

http://www.saitek.com/uk/down/drivers.php
Go here select your product, then choose your product then your system, it should have two download boxes one driver and the other one is ST
if it works in window it should work in the game, how ever, does the game support forces or rumble.
If so look in the game menu see if it is enabled.